Before the founding pastor of Grier Memorial died, a man entered the scene who was to prove indispensable to guiding the church in a new (and possibly better) direction—Glen Ewing. After the pastor died, Ewing decided that no work begun by God should have a man’s name on it, so the church was re-named Grace Gospel Church.
Glen Ewing was a humble, self-effacing man who thought of others before he thought of himself. He would give his last dollar to anyone in need, sometimes to his own detriment. He lived quite frugally as millions of dollars funneled through Grace Gospel to the needy and to many missionaries around the world. I was told once that, in its heydey, about one-quarter of Grace Gospel’s congregation was on the mission field. They were one of the first non-denominational churches and were racially integrated at a time when this was uncommon. They also dispensed with memberships and refused to pass an offering plate. I suppose it would take a long list to enumerate the distinctives that set Grace Gospel apart in those days.
Glen Ewing became a father figure to many—people often called him “Dad” Ewing. His ability to pastor became something of a legend. It was said that many a person was ministered to just being in his presence. One fellow I heard of went to see him about a personal problem but their session was interrupted by a continual string of phone calls which Ewing answered. As the man waited, the answers he sought came to him and he was “pastored” without Ewing ever uttering a word. This was the way it often worked.
I actually knew Glen Ewing fairly well as a child (but not nearly as well as the oldtimers knew one another). In fact, the Ewings and the Morses continued many years side by side. My mother, in fact, grew up as the only generational church peer to their son, Robert (“Bobby”), whose fame in international circles far exceeded that of his father. Robert and his father were two quite different men and, to me, Robert lacked the common sense of the elder Ewing.
Robert never was what most people would call a “bright” person. In fact, he was naive and slow to understand some things that a child might have grasped. Growing up, he also stuttered horribly but was determined to be a minister anyway. He entered seminary and was told by a professor, “If I were you, I wouldn’t be a minister.” He reportedly responded, “If I were me, I wouldn’t be one either.” Some remember the day he was miraculously healed of stuttering. God has His ways.
It was not unusual for Robert to get carried away with ministerial excitement. Once he got involved in some kind of book burning event and the bonfire was so large that a worried neighbor called the fire department. Robert was also more inclined to let power go to his head than his father and began to implement rigid controls after the Grace Campgrounds passed into his hands. (For more information, read “Grace Gospel Church“.) To be sure, he has many admirers to this day, especially in Mexico where he is practically idolized. I do not characterize him as a bad man, but as a vulnerable man so in love with ministry that he was sometimes blinded by it. He was one of those rare individuals who chose never to marry so he could devote himself to his calling.
What got me started on this testimonial series was running across Robert’s name in an article by Tricia Tillin entitled “‘Bread & Games’–Reflections on the British Church” at Cross + Word. I was a bit startled to read that Robert Ewing had a church that came from the Latter Rain Revival. First of all, Robert did not have a church—his father had a church. Robert later took over a campground that had belonged to Grace Gospel Church, but was never the pastor there. He spent most of his time traveling and functioned much more as a prophetic voice and an apostle. To say that Grace Gospel came from Latter Rain is stretching things. If anything, they came from Presbyterianism but were connected more closely with Grace & Glory Campground at Topeka. Certainly teachings on “Divine Order” came to Grace Gospel from Topeka, notably from the Rev. R. Anderson Jardine, a de-frocked Anglican minister, whom Glen Ewing had met there. It may be that some Latter Rain influence came from that, and certainly some from Grace Gospel had been in contact with Latter Rain people. To equate Grace Gospel with the Latter Rain Movement that came in during the late 40s would be a cruel disservice, however.
Grace Gospel Church was originally prophesied to have been the Lord’s “seed bed”. A seed bed is only used for a short time and is then left to weeds. If that is a true prophecy, then the demise of the original Grace Gospel was meant to be. But you know people. They are going to keep things going long after “Ichabod” is written on the doorposts. I believe that is what happened in addition to the fact that many took advantage of its success, thinking to aggrandize themselves.
I did not start out specifically to speak on the Ewings. They were wonderful people on the whole. They had their flaws, though, and I believe that Glen Ewing’s major obstacle to keeping Grace Gospel on track in its latter days stemmed from internal family conflicts involving his wife, his son Robert and his son-in-law Jack Locker. I am inclined to believe that the best favor any successful minister can do for his family members is to bar them from following in his footsteps. No good ministry I have ever seen has been continued from father to son. We could name lots of examples, couldn’t we? The time to flee is when a son steps into his father’s shoes or when someone prophesies that “the mantle” has passed from this person to that.
To come back to the central thread again, Glen Ewing once said that Harry Morse’s ministry was the most successful thing that ever came out of Grace Gospel Church. Such comments would have been lost on me years ago. I did not understand them, appreciate them, nor care about them. It was not until my 50th year that I even grasped the good in my grandfather’s sermons (you know what they say about a “prophet in his own country”). Recently, I have come across some of his writings, which I have been publishing as H.R. Morse Sermons & Tracts. I will publish more as I get them transcribed and as I can dig them out of the files of relatives. Though my grandfather and I would have differed on a few minor points, I was struck by how much we had in common later.
The Grace Gospel Church building remains, but the original spirit that powered it has gone. My grandparents remained in contact with the Ewings until they all died—they lived only a few blocks from one another. Upon my grandfather’s death, Glen Ewing came to the house and gave my uncle “a wad of money” to help with the funeral. According to my uncle, the man “cried like a baby” to hear of my grandfather’s death. After he left, my uncle called a trusted friend to see if she could slip the money back to Ewing without his knowing it, which she did. Two weeks later, Mrs. Ewing also died.
Don Clasen, in his series of articles on “The Destroyed Foundations” in Cross + Word, did a bang-up job of nailing the shifts in doctrine that entered the Charismatic churches since the late 1940s. He mentioned in one place that Charismatic/Pentecostals were once Pre-Millenialists who believed in a Great Tribulation. I do recall that Grace Gospel Church began that way. There came a shift somewhere and someone brought in the doctrine of a split Rapture. My mother taught me in split Rapture when I was a kid. Later, I discovered that my grandfather was not allowed to preach any longer at the annual Conventions after Robert Ewing took over the campground. Robert believed in a split Rapture and ordered that no one could preach who didn’t agree with that doctrine (except for his brother-in-law, Jack Locker, a former Baptist). His father did not believe such a thing, nor did my grandfather. Later, I discovered that my mother had bought the split Rapture doctrine but my uncle had not. Guess you could say we remain a family divided on that issue. As for myself, I do not believe in a Rapture at all, though I do believe in the Great Tribulation before the Lord returns.
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August 19, 2007 at 3:27 p
Jack Ender
Great Commentary. Do you happen to have any pictures from the early days of Grace Gospel, the camp grounds, and information on this movenment today.
Dr. Jack Ender
August 20, 2007 at 1:23 p
saltsister
Answered in private email.
March 27, 2008 at 9:46 p
Isaac Castelo
Dear Jack, I am asuming. I am a young man who currently attends a church under the apostleship of Moises Caballero who Brother Robert Ewing pupiled. I am farley new to Divine Order and Grace Gospel Church. I enjoyed your informative comentary on some history of Glenn Ewing and Robert Ewing. Do you have any more information or opinions on the history of Grace Gospel Church in Waco and Topeka, Glenn and Robert Ewing that you would be willing to share. Also H.R. Morse Sermons & Tracts. Pretty much any relative information.I am also intreged to know why you dont believe in the rapture. This is just an intrest of mine to know why. Thank you very much for your article and anything further that results. God bless u
March 31, 2008 at 3:20 p
Jack Ender
Hi Isaac,
First, I encourage you to humbly submit to the oversight of your spiritual leadership. They are answerable to God for your soul and have been given to you as a gift from God. (see Eph 4:8 & Heb 13:17)
If I left you with the opinion that “I did not believe in the rapture”, I apologize. Being doctoral, I was speaking about the minutiae rather than general ideas.
There are 22 different estacalogical positions, which I was trying to point out. I do have an opinion on the subject, but recognize that God has changed my ideas over many years of studying the Bible. The concern Isaac, is how easily we discard PEOPLE who disagree with us, rather than discarding their ideas.
I sat under the teaching of Pop Ewing and Bobby Ewing (Robert) since the age of 14. I met my wife at the convention in Waco, to whom I have been married for the past 36 years. I met Moises for the first time at a college conference when he was 19 or 20 and I was 17 years of age. So I understand their position intimately.
I am a pastor at Grace Fellowship church in Georgetown, TX. I hold a doctorate of ministry and a master of theology. I serve on the board of directors for Commission to Every Nation. http://WWW.CTEN.ORG (look for my email address) I give apostolic oversight to several churches.
Regardless of my years of experience and education, I remain humbled by how little I understand about the Bible. Bobby (Robert) held a similar view, one that kept him searching to understand God. I remember visiting with Robert when the most he could muster was a raspy sound from his throat, even then, he wanted to know what I had learned from scripture and wanted to report to me his own discoveries.
Over the years, I never heard a rebuke from Robert, even when on the wrong track. Instead, he was confident enough to know that truth stands on its on merit and would boldy share his own revelations on the subject.
Both Pop and Bobby were accepting of other members in the body of Christ and their ideas. They welcomed a diversity of doctrine, but were always confident about their own Divine Order Truths.
Divine Order Truth was not demanded by the Ewings, but encouraged. Many churches, mine included, taught divine order truths but had freedom to teach other doctrine as well. I can go through the list of great teachers in Waco who also were at liberty to teach a diversity of truth, but embraced Divine Order Truth as well.
Dr.Hong Sit is certainly an example, Mel Amorine, Jack Cobb and many others taught Divine Order Truths, but were at liberty to teach other Christian doctrine as well.
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God and everone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love. 1Joh 4:7,8
Whether Luthern, Baptist, Episcopalian, Catholic…. Bobby loved them, encouraged Christ in them, and they left Bobby’s presence feeling they were an important part of the Body of Christ. May God help us continue the Grace Gospel message instead of turning the Doctines of Grace into legalism.
March 31, 2008 at 4:21 p
saltsister
To Jack and Isaac~
I don’t know why Jack’s last comment came up as from Isaac, but I have edited it to show the right name of the commenter.
Your comments on Robert are interesting, Jack. My grandfather Harry R. Morse Sr. used to open every campground meeting until after Robert took charge. Robert called a bunch of people together one time and said that anyone who didn’t believe in a split rapture couldn’t preach anymore. It was apparently aimed at my grandfather who didn’t believe in it. This was in diametrical opposition to Robert’s father Glenn. I don’t know what that was about. I’m sure my grandfather was very hurt by it, but he went on and did his thing.
I met up again with Robert in my early 20’s and didn’t know exactly what had happened. I guess our families stayed in some loose contact until my grandfather died. Glenn Ewing came by my grandfather’s house just before he died and met my uncle there. He had recently lost his wife and his own ministry had dwindled, to his consternation. He broke down and cried to hear that my grandfather was dying. He commented that my grandfather’s ministry was the best thing to have ever come from Grace Gospel. Interesting comment from the father of the man who kicked my grandfather out…
Oh, to have been a fly on the wall when all these things took place.
I went to Robert’s funeral. I suppose different things speak to different people. I thought it interesting that he died from Grave’s Disease–the very thing that nearly killed me, only I survived. Guess it was that personal identification that stayed with me. All the more interesting since the two people who took such care of me when I was ill both died of cancer. Call it survivor guilt, but I can’t quite get my mind around why they are gone and I am still here.
April 11, 2008 at 9:57 p
Jack Ender
Isaac,
I think in order to discuss “the rapture”, one must be smart enough to listen to their teachers but wise enough to discern the teachings of the Bible.
We are quick to embrace what we have not taken the time to study ourselves. So many of our beliefs exist, not because they are right, just, or even noble. Like a bird that has just enough education to speak some words, we “parrot” what we have heard without a real understanding of what we are actually saying.
It is like reading a street map, you really need a broader perspective to see where you are going. If you say, “My teacher said it and that settles it!”, then Jesus said it is like the blind leading the blind and both will fall into the ditch. Mt 15:14
As you begin your journey, start with the teachings of Clarence Larkin. If you look closely at the doctrine presented by Larkin, you will see how they influenced the Ewings. Then look at Larkin’s charts. Study them. They are free for you to print.
Let me be clear, these are NOT Robert’s teachings, but I personally saw Robert pouring over Larkin’s charts. Larkin had published his work by the early 1900’s, but an earlier influence was that of John Nelson Darby, who in the early 1800’s published the first concepts of escatology. I’m sure you have heard of the Darby Bible, but he printed many other great works. REFERENCE ….>
If we look at Darby, we see how he influnced the teachings of Larkin, and how both Darby and Larkin influnced later generations.
I think if you begin with studying the teachings of these early pioneers, who sought God dilligently, you will begin to get perspective on Robert’s own revelations and then perhaps Moises own revelations. Who knows, perhaps your own revelations.
Isaac, there is “no perfect doctrine”, not because Christ’s doctrine is not perfect, but because men can’t arrive at complete agreement on doctrine. And… those who have arrived at complete agreement are only CULTS with a CULT LEADER.
I have been part of many churches and many movements, and where there are strong men, there are strong doctrines, and each man believes his doctrines to be correct. That means arguements, discussions, and sometimes dissolutions.
A great teacher once told me, “Anyone who ever thought alike, never thought at all.” I want to think about the things I am going to embrace as doctrine.
The internet has great study materials that are easily accessible to you. I hope you wil use the internet to “prove what is good”. Many fundamental idea are found at
Pick up the CHRISTIAN HISTORY MAGAZINE, issue 61, and you will have a broader perspective on the subject.
Your Friend in Christ,
Jack Ender
April 11, 2008 at 10:03 p
Jack Ender
Isaac,
My references are missing:
larkinestate.com/larkinbio.htm
preservedwords.com/charts.htm
sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_Nelson_Darby
christianhistorystore.com/ch61secondcoming.html
Please go to these on the web for further study
October 21, 2008 at 5:18 p
Anonymous
Hello Jack, I really am trying to grasp all this information but what you are saying about Grace Gospel Campground meetings but its is simply not entirely true, (some things are but others are just your opinion and no the real thing) you said “The Grace Gospel Church building remains, but the original spirit that powered it has gone.” and I am here to testify against this words because that is not true, the glory of God is coming back to this place. And it doesn’t matter if you think so or not. If you don’t believe then you can come to one of the campmeetings, and see for yourself that God is doing great things. I think that what you have is a deep hate towards brother Ewing towards your grandfather. And if that is the case you shouldn’t feel that way because if you are all that you say you are you would understand that people aren’t perfect and if he really did that it was because there was a purpose behind it. And I’m not trying to say anything bad about you but you have no right to say wether or not a person is anointed with the Holy Ghost and has their own revelations or not. You shouldn’t talk about people that way because I’m pretty sure that if you wouldn’t like to be talked about the way you talked about other people. It’s just a question I have in mind, are you jelaous that GOd choose them and not you for the work that they have done? i think you are old enough to understand many things more than i do, (due to your age) if you really love GOd stop talking about people in a negative way and worry about your minestery because that’s what you are going to be acounted for and not for brothers’ Robert, Glen, or Moises ministery.
THanks for taking the time to read this.
October 22, 2008 at 9:19 p
saltsister
Hello, Anonymous. Nice handle you got there.
I think you have Jack Ender confused with me. The statement you mention appears in the body of my post rather than in Jack’s comments. It appears that you connected that to the comments Jack made about Robert Ewing’s teachings.
If what you say is true of Grace Gospel Campground then I must run out there and take a look.
October 23, 2008 at 5:03 p
Jack Ender
Thank you SALTSISTER for defending me. I would challenge anonymous to point out where I have been hateful or ungodly. If he had carefully and thoughtfully read my comments, he would have heard nothing but respect. Perhaps he didn’t read…submit to your oversight. In all likelyhood anonymous didn’t comprehend that I am a spiritual son of the Ewings and knew both of the intimately. I did visit Robert regularly, up unto the time of his death. I did make observations regarding some of the roots of Divine Order Truths, which I have taught the Divine Order Truths through the years. So if anonymous has the ability to read, then he needs to quote my posts…with my name on the post…the exact phrase that is hateful. Critism that I don’t believe in the rapture are ridiculous, that I have proposed that somehow the Spirit of God has left Grace Gospel or any other God fearing movement of God, or man of God, is first silly and second, reveals the lack of anonymous’s understanding about the doctrines of Grace. It is sad that I would have to defend myself, but proves how easily one can misunderstand what is being said. I have not suggested that God’s anointing has left anyone and God’s word clearly supports the idea that those born of God carry the anointing of Christ and the presence of the Holy Spirit. I feel kind of awkward even mentioning these points because they are so fundamental and basic in our Christian understanding. I can only assume that anonymous must be ignorant of these principles.
So for clarity, I love Grace Gospel; I love the principles I have learned there through the Ewings and Lockers; I pray regularly for the success of the Divine Order Movement; I regularly minister in Divine Order Churches; I am a supporter of the Grace Gospel Ministry. Now what more do you want to know?
The Kingdom of God is bigger that one man or any one movement. Clearly, we should not carry with us a spirit of exclusivity or denominate our own movement, when the Spirit of God moves with freedom in the hearts of anyone who accepts Christ as their Savior.
I don’t know who anonymous is quoting, nor scolding, but he should at least get his facts right. In Christ’s Love, Jack Ender
October 23, 2008 at 3:02 p
saltsister
Jack, I suspect that anonymous responded to my statements in the original post. I met up with Robert again in my 20s and hung out with him at his house some. I never had a “hate” on for Robert, but I didn’t agree with a lot of stuff he did. He could actually be quite funny sometimes.
My family was divided on some of the Grace Gospel issues with some on one side and some on another. My mother probably remained closest to the teachings that came in during the 50s and later. She and I had some very strong theological disagreements about a few items and I suffered many more painful feelings about my GG connections for various and sundry reasons than she did. But several members of my family always remained on good terms with the Ewings — very intimate terms, in fact — which is why I even have knowledge of some of the things I mentioned in the original post above. Right now I am attending the dying days of the man who is probably the last living witness to some of GG’s early days, and I got much of my information from him and added it to what I already knew.
P.S. It’s interesting that I still get comments and word searches leading people to these posts on GG. Must be a lot of people out there looking this stuff up. Personally, while it had a profound influence on my upbringing, I have moved far away from the “style” (for lack of a better word) of GG. Therefore, I am not “jealous” of Robert Ewing’s ministry. I would not want to do what he did, which is why I do what I do.
February 19, 2009 at 11:05 p
another Anonymous
Is this a cult?
February 19, 2009 at 11:10 p
saltsister
It could be, but it’s probably no more so than groups of staunch Catholics, Baptists, etc. You can have two people side-by-side in a pew. One is in a cult and one is worshipping God. It all depends on their emphasis.
April 29, 2009 at 2:31 p
jeff jones
Years ago I belonged to a church in Iowa which was under the oversight of Robert Ewing and I remember A teaching he gave on the concept of the outer darkness and how those in heaven would be in a differing level of light depending on how close they were to Jesus determined be their works or something similar to that I was just wondering if you had ever heard that taught and if so could you explain it to me thank you and God bless
April 29, 2009 at 2:57 p
saltsister
Welcome, Jeff. Yes, I have heard that teaching and others similar to it. I don’t know if I can explain Robert’s teaching, though. I wasn’t around him when he taught it and got it secondhand–whether from his teaching or someone else’s. My mother believed something like that. I don’t know if that’s the proper interpretation or not but it’s certainly one possibility.
April 29, 2009 at 5:16 p
jeff jones
well thank you for the welcome and I really enjoyed reading some of Robert and Glens history and that of grace gospel I have thought about that teaching much through the years because it seemed to make sense of a few things that confused me at the time. I just wish I could hear it again from someone today because I always had a bit of a hard time understanding Robert when he taught because he spoke so fast and tended to mumble but I always respected and what he had to say and felt he had a special gift from God I am saddened to learn he has passed but am sure he is at foot of Jesus just soaking up every bit of wisdom he can by the way this site is very refreshing God bless you and your work
April 29, 2009 at 5:25 p
saltsister
Thank you. This blog post continues to elicit comments even though it’s quite old now. I’m surprised it still gets a notice. That testfies to the impact of this man and Grace Gospel on many lives.
April 29, 2009 at 5:48 p
jeff jones
yes it does speak to his impact and that of gg as for their impact on me and my beliefs I have very fond memories of that time and of the spiritual excitementI felt but I also know that I have many spiritual wounds which I am still dealing with as a result of my own blind faith attachment to the man and the ministry of course my fault for looking to them instead of my lord as I now do
April 30, 2009 at 3:17 p
saltsister
Jeff, you have hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. That was exactly the problem. But of course, we didn’t know better and the general flow of things around us would have contributed to that oversight. Crowds of people have a way of doing that to individuals. It sounds as though you have moved into a good place.
April 30, 2009 at 8:53 p
jeff jones
yes i believe I have moved into a good place, after many years of running from God for fear of falling back into what I had escaped from. His amazing love and grace finally broke through and he personally showed me in a very real and powerful way that I needed to run back towards him and not away from him and never ever put my faith in man again but to reserve that part of myself for him alone. We have a very special relationship now, me and Jesus. and This place I am in now with him is a place of peace and of freedom. But anyway I tend to ramble on. I have enjoyed talking with you, I believe God is using you and i would say you must have found peace and healing as well haven’t you. I would enjoy hearing from you now and then if you feel like like keeping in touch I have many stories you might be interested in hearing lol
February 11, 2010 at 12:47 p
sandra
shalom, hi my name is sandra and I wonder if you could give me the address of the church: grace gospel church, I would like to go one day; my uncle who is a pastor in guatemala knew the apostol robert ewing and also, pastor moises caballero tellez.
please!!!!
thank you and god bless you
February 11, 2010 at 10:37 p
saltsister
1917 McKenzie Ave., Waco, Texas 76708.
It’s not the same people running it, though. I’m not sure who’s in charge now. The building is the same but it’s been added onto. The porch is no longer open, but has been enclosed. Also, the sign out front has a brick base, if memory serves me. The old one was two wooden posts and a flat sign stuck in the middle of the lawn.
March 4, 2010 at 11:49 p
Isaíah Fernandez
Well, I’m probably the youngest generation that the ministry of Brother Glenn and Robert Ewing has touch. I was born in a church in Mexico City under Brother’s Robert covering. The campground in Waco it’s running under the Ministry of Apostle Moises Caballero and there is Glory there. He is truly a man of God and a very humble man. There’s no convention where he preaches that he doesn’t refer in on way or another to Brother Robert or Brother Glenn Ewing. I think your opinion about there is no Glory there is from your own experience. The movement of God is stronger in many ways and has not died. I pastor three churches here in California, and we teach Divine Order. We also attend every year the convention in Waco TX and it’s just amazing to see how God is moving in a powerful ways. Come and see, you’ll be amazed.
March 5, 2010 at 3:30 p
saltsister
It never ceases to amaze me that this one post has gotten so much commentary, considering what a small proportion of this site it takes up. If I had to hazard a guess, I’d suppose that many more people identify with everything else except this post, but it just happens to touch a few people with strongly felt attachments who lived in certain localities. I’ve sometimes wished I had attached this series of posts to a different blog that deals with topics more tangential to it; nevertheless, at the time I wrote it, I was dealing with my own history.
Dear Bro. Isaiah, I appreciate your feelings of attachment for these wonderful men who did the best they understood at the time. We all do the best we understand. And I appreciate that God has moved many times and in many places. I, personally, consider Divine Order as I learned it, to be as oppressive as Catholic doctrines about Purgatory. I am relieved to be away from it, quite frankly.
I have come to believe that Ephesians 4 ministries have been wrongly taught as something that one is called to for life–like a “job for God”. These descriptions, rather than pertaining to permanent ministries on earth, are, I believe, descriptive of functions we perform in each other’s lives as need arises.
The thrust of the chapter is about coming into sonship. When have you ever seen anyone “under covering” come into real sonship/maturity through this Divine Order of pastors, teachers, prophets, etc.? My observation is NEVER. They won’t let you. If you are forever “under covering”, it is because you are forever IMMATURE. Fathers grow their children up; ministry offices do not.
But if you just MUST live under the Divine Order doctrine, then I guess you must. I do hope the day will come when the gathering will be unto Jesus instead of unto men. Having said this, I suppose I can’t blame you too much for your sensibilities. I have gone through my own share of cleaving to people I thought had great wisdom. I no longer feel as I once did, but maybe it was necessary for me to experience what I once felt. I must remember that everyone has to be somewhere and this is where we are for now.
One last thing I would like to add to the many comments on this post. The original post is part of my past, not part of my present. I appreciate that its topic is still fresh for some. It is old for me, but important for learning where I stand in the history of all things considered. If you really want to understand this site, see the final post I wrote here: http://saltsister.com/?p=2540 This is much more representative of the site as a whole. I believe that a lot of people find this one post based on search words and don’t realize how out of touch they are with what the real thrust of this site is. This might help round out their understanding.
May 18, 2010 at 12:11 p
Dave McC...
It is all relative.. The campgrounds hold power to those looking for it and doesn’t for those who are not…
I had the great privilege to sit under Robert, John David Gates and Joe Gingerich. And I knew Jack Locker and seems like I remember Jack Ender.
Grace campgrounds is where God opened my eyes and answered all my questions that the baptists couldn’t touch. Split resurrection is truth! I am hoping for a better resurrection.
Spirit soul and Body as taught by Glen and Robert is beyond reproach and holds the key to resolving 90% of all denominational dissent.
God’s eyes are constantly looking for those whose hearts…..
I still have every teaching Robert ever gave and the foundational truths he lead me through hold true to this day.
I loved stumbling across this thread and hope that we can all some day learn to make love our greatest aim! No one ever sat with Robert that did not experience the most pure form of Godly love and yes… quirky as the day is long… never drove a car… couldn’t fill out a check.. but he could sing in the spirit like an angel and speak truth like only one other.
Good Bye Brother Robert I miss you and will see you soon.
May 19, 2010 at 5:22 p
saltsister
I am glad you feel you benefited from your time at the Campgrounds. A lot of people are quite sentimental about their time there, probably because it was an important part of their formation. Many of them were very young when they were affected.
Thank you for your comments on a remarkable man. Yes, he was a memorable personality to be sure–a contradiction of spiritual faith and natural naivete, which probably added to the affection people had for him. He was, in the final analysis, a genuine man of God.
Let us move on beyond our fragmented and varied experiences and into the wholeness of the Living God through whom and for whom we were created. I ran across something by T. Austin-Sparks today (he was so good at articulating the New Creation). “…when Christ is implanted at the beginning of our life it is not as though God implanted Him in a fragmentary way. God’s thought was that the end should be bound up with the beginning, and that Christ should be All and in all. … It is the depositing of Christ at the very centre of the being, with a view to His spreading to the very circumference, that is the nature of a believer…”
June 23, 2010 at 7:38 p
Anonymous Nr.3
These are very interesting and informative things you are giving here, especially about Glen and Robert Ewing. Actually I was searching on Google in the hope to find some information about Robert Ewing and his ministries and I was glad that I found this. First of all I read all the 4 stories but I d like to add something to this post as it concerns me the most.
I’m from Switzerland and I would like to share my point of view from a church called NTG (New Testament Church), which I attended. The founder and pastor is Daniel Moser and he was a close fellow and disciple of Robert Ewing. I must admit that the teachings of NTG might differ little bit from the original teachings of Robert Ewing.
I must also admit I wasn’t involved so much in the church activities and I wasnt really interested in these doctrinal things when I was younger. Some years ago though I began to question this doctrine, mainly through a friend who asked me some questions and showed me that other opinions exist and not just the NTG doctrine, because I was always convinced (or maybe rather I was told) that the NTG doctrine is the truths and I felt safe and secure. A friend made me start thinking and suddenly my security was gone and God made me realize that there are other convictions and views than just this one. This was the beginning of a process. For me a turning point was that I started to read the Bible. When I started reading the Bible without being prejudiced I got a complete different picture. I must say that I was important to me to read different commentary and of course different opinions from other believers. Now when I think back to the sermons (the ones I can recall) I can rarely remember that one was encouraged to read the Bible or even they discouraged people from going to a seminary or even a simple Bible study. They usually tell the people that one can read the so called “Inspiration” which is a some 20 volumes long booklet about the NTG doctrine. And that is one point which concerns me a lot that the Bible does not have its status it should have. And what I find strange is that of the most doctrine has its 3, 7 or 12 steps and everything fits together perfectly in these patterns. I think these doctrines of Robert Ewing were rather read into the Bible than vice-versa. Another thing is the fellowship in the church. The leadership creates unbearable “social” pressure onto the people and use this pressure to manipulate the members. Many times I felt that it is all not about God but about men. But I think it should be the other way round…I think we should go to church because of God and to have real fellowship with our brothers and sisters where my understanding is to encourage and warn each other with the Word of God and not just having a fun and a good time together. There are many more things to say about this but I make a point here.
In conclusion I can say that with your background information you gave on these posts I think I understand the whole picture better on how all this got started…
God bless you
June 24, 2010 at 11:41 p
saltsister
Bless your heart. Thank you for that refreshing comment. I fixed some of the spelling and punctuation in places because it was a little difficult to follow. (I assume that English is not your first language.) So please let me know if I misrepresented anything you intended to say and I will fix it.
You said something that jumped out at me: “For me a turning point was that I started to read the Bible.”
Wow! I doubt the group you met with consciously realized that they might have been pre-empting the Bible. Usually, they don’t think they are. They just think they have it figured out and that if you stick with their teaching, you’ll save yourself a lot of trouble.
The mark of maturity is that we go to God for ourselves to find out if certain things are true. That is the promise of the Holy Spirit, that He will lead us into all truth. He is the voice that follows behind us saying, “This is the way, walk ye in it.”
Thanks so very, very much for your contribution.
July 6, 2010 at 1:08 p
Jason Samuel
I was doing a Google search for Rev. Glen and Robert Ewing and Grace Gospel Church and came across this blog. My grandfather, the late apostle P.M. Samuel from India came to Grace Gospel Church and worked with the Rev. Ewing. (I’m in my 30s, so I just heard stories of the works that God did in India). My grandfather was blessed by a lady in the church with funds to build a house in India for his family.
My cousin from India continues the work that my grandfather started. We are driving from Dallas to Austin was wondering if Rev. Glen or Robert Ewing were still living and is Grace Gospel Church still around?
Thank you!
July 8, 2010 at 1:18 p
saltsister
How fascinating and wonderful! Both Ewings, father and son, have passed on. Practically everyone who was alive at the time your grandfather was living has passed on as well. There may be a few who have a memory going back pretty far, though.
If you read through the comments on this thread, you’ll see that some of the descendants of various facets of Grace Gospel ministry have responded. I’ll respond in more detail by private email.
July 9, 2010 at 5:45 p
Dave McC...
i think this warrants a dedicated blog to Robert and Glen… posting teachings etc…. many whom I know did not pay attention during their time with them and are now hungry for what they missed.
July 10, 2010 at 3:20 p
saltsister
It would take a special person to do it fairly. I have a number of tracts, some of which I’ve reprinted on the blog to my grandfather, but many I don’t have the time to do justice to. I believe in preserving information so that people can be informed. I saved some information here: http://hrmorse.wordpress.com/
I have numerous tracts, but not the time or energy to post them all, though I would if I could. If anyone wants to volunteer for the job, let me know. I’ll be glad to mail copies if anyone wants to transcribe them into a Word document that I can copy edit for readability and post.